Having written about my own opinion on it previously, IVF is something that I have always felt very strongly about. I do feel as though IVF is, at the end of the day, a big business, and I personally believe that couples are not provided with enough information before undergoing what is not only an expensive and invasive procedure, but one that is high risk, and with a relatively low success rate. It is one where the couples are almost always making decisions purely based on emotions rather than facts, and I do think it is important to get the message out there about the things that can potentially go wrong.
Dr Nick Campos, (www.nickcampos.com) is a teacher of universal principles and truths as they pertain to the health, wellness and evolution of the body, mind and spirit. Dr Campos is a healer in the art of chiropractic who is based in my second hometown of LA. Dr Campos read my article “IVF – Ill conceived?” and kindly took time out from his busy schedule to give me the opportunity to interview him over the phone about a number of topics.
Amy Anka: I wanted to get your thoughts as a doctor on what it was that I had written about in relation to the IVF process…
Dr Nick Campos: IVF is a business, and there’s nothing wrong with that, that’s not an evil thing, and it’s not a conspiracy, but it is dollars and cents. Like any business, the seller is going to up sell, and they’re going to paint their product in the most favourable light and there’s no doubt that there’s some advantages to the procedure, but I do think I agree with you, that it would be beneficial to the prospective clients for them to know all of the risks involved too. Often those risks aren’t discussed, or they’re downplayed.
When my ex-wife was having my first daughter, my daughter was about 2 weeks late, and the doctors wanted to induce the labour, which was fine. The reasoning behind that was perfectly ok, but there were two potential drugs to do the inducing. One was a slower acting safer drug, and this wasn’t presented in this way, it was just presented as far as duration and time, and there was a second drug that was faster acting and recommended.
I do vaguely remember her saying ( the OB-GYN) there’s a slight risk but she didn’t really say what that was and we had the opportunity to think about it. So of course I went home and I looked it up and it turns out the drug that was being recommended, the one that was preferable, was actually being used in an off label manner. Are you familiar with the term off-label drugs? Some drugs are used for something other than what they were intended for so one example is Wellbutrin which is used now to help people quit smoking, is actually an anti-depressant, that’s the idea (of an off-label drug). And so here is this drug, I can’t quite remember what its true purpose was for, but they found that it induces labour. However the risks were significant, enough that you’d say, “well why do we really need that?”
And that’s kind of a problem that I think is rampant in medicine. Things are changing a little bit today with people having access to information from the internet and so doctors are being forced to be a little more honest about it. But there was a time, and it wasn’t that long ago, that doctorness (sic) was next to Godliness, and so being a doctor made one almost a divine authority and so people accepted what the doctor said no matter what it was, and asked no questions because you just did what your doctor said because your doctor knew. I think there’s still a little bit of that remnant occurring today and that can be dangerous for people. Fortunately for us we have open access to information and not just from websites and web pages but also social media communicating like we’re doing now. We didn’t have these options ten years ago, and we’re fortunate now and its slowly changing things. Although I believe that the medical industry is probably one of the slower industries as far as change is concerned.
AA – In regards to the risks associated with breast and ovarian cancer do you think that there is a direct link between that and the drugs that they administer in the IVF process?
NC: The most accurate and honest answer – I haven’t done any research in that area so I couldn’t give you anything definite, however , just like you said in your piece, anytime that the hormonal system is being messed with there’s always that risk. Hormones are a very tricky business. They are very precisely regulated by the human body itself. Humans coming in with human educated minds may think that it knows what to do but the human body is complex and people are individuals, so you can do studies but that doesn’t mean that people are going to fall into a cookie-cutter response so it’s a dangerous thing to play around with. So its’ something that needs to be taken into consideration. Anytime you’re playing with hormones there’s always a risk. Cancer is always a potential issue when you’re playing with the hormones. We even know that with the oral contraceptive there are real possibilities that long term use is increasing the risk of cancer.
It’s messing with the homeostasis of the body. It (the body) knows what to do and when to do it. The misconception is that there are flawed people and flawed systemologys and that’s the unfortunate perspective that medical science comes from. And probably will continue for some time until some thinkers are able to be able to change that. The paradigm is that there are flawed systems and flawed physiology. The reality is that nature knows and we can attempt to understand, but to do better than nature is not realistic.
Depending on what your belief system is as far as what kind of universe we live in, if you’re purely a materialist, or you think there are some other dimensions like spiritual dimensions and so forth, there are many possible reasons that things happen and don’t happen, and that all depends on ones belief system. In the realm of the material plane, I mean yeah, you’re messing with a natural process. If there’s something more than just the material then there could be other reasons – hard to say. But in your piece you said that everything checked out on both ends for you and your partner. An idea that somehow you’re going to improve on what’s already there when you know nothing’s wrong with you – I mean what, there’s nothing wrong with you, but we’re (the medical profession) going to do better anyway?
AA – Do you think that it could also be an emotional response (preventing a pregnancy)?
NC: Reality is reality and there’s no way to prove it one way or the other but you could absolutely be preventing it emotionally. Doctors would be the laughing stock of their association if they considered this to be a contributing factor. I was treating a couple that had been trying for 5 years and they tried IVF and it didn’t work. There was also nothing wrong with them and you can’t help but wonder what else is going on. There is definitely more than meets the eye. We’re definitely at an impasse in medical science right now and a lot of it has to do with the paradigm and medical science is unable to look past a particular point of view and think that they’re running into road blocks.
AA – What are your thoughts on botox? I know it has been around for a relatively short amount of time as a cosmetic procedure, and I know that it has been used prior to that for things like MS and the like…
NC: I’ve heard of it being used for muscle spasms but I haven’t seen it be all that useful for that either.
The long term effects of botox are unknown right now. As you said it’s fairly new. It also has risks. Yeah they might be small risks, but there are risks. There can be facial paralysis, and there’s various theories on why that happens whether there’s a reaction to the toxin itself or whether they’re hitting a particular nerve , but it seems right now to be such a low risk thing that in my opinion it’s a purely aesthetic issue and for me personally I don’t like the way it looks.
It’s possible that there are people walking around with botox and I’m not aware of it but I feel like I can tell and I think it looks weird. The best sort of models for the botox look is the American newscasters. I don’t know what it’s like over there in Australia, but the newscasters here in the States are all pretty much botoxed up and whatever else and they look weird. They look weird to me. That’s just my personal preference. I’m just somebody who prefers a natural look. I don’t mind wrinkles. I actually think people are more concerned about that than is necessary. I tend to like a natural appearance but that’s me, I’m weird. The thing that’s makes the face warm, the thing that makes the face interesting and unique are the lines. Lines are what show expression, so you know when somebody is truly smiling and it’s not a fake smile by what happens around their eyes. When people don’t have that it looks weird. But again that’s me.
AA – What are your thoughts on the prevalence of cancer nowadays, and chemotherapy as a treatment. Do you know of any known alternatives that have been successful?
NC: Cancer is much more complex than the current cancer intelligentsia acknowledges here. I believe that there are mental aspects, or psychological aspects–emotional aspects–things that would be real dirty words to most certainly anybody suffering from cancer, but to many people, and the organizations, and the institutions as well. There’s an idea that “how dare you blame the patient,” and it’s not a blame thing, it’s just that I’m quite convinced that there’s a lot more to cancer than just the physical. And the fact that cancer has been one of the most heavily funded illnesses in history yet they’re still no closer to finding any cure, or even knowing that much more about it. We’re no closer to finding a cure to cancer. So I’m convinced that there’s much more to it. With any healing the big part of the healing process comes down to belief, and ones intention and outlook. That may seem almost not sophisticated to say that. You would have to say, of course, that anybody who has cancer would have the intention to want to heal, but it’s more than that. So I believe that with any healing, first and foremost, both the patient and the doctor have to believe strongly in the treatment. We know of cases of cancer that have gone through spontaneous remission. We hear of cancer cases that get cured by diet, or get cured by going to a spa in Mexico–these are real. And there are also people that get chemo, and they do better, and I’m sure that those people believe strongly that it’s going to help them.
The thing with the chemo is, it kills everything, that’s why people lose their hair, and they get skinny, and they get sick, and it’s heavy. It’s a heavy duty treatment. It’s the most heavy duty treatment that there is. But the human body is so amazing in that it can bounce back from that. So if somebody truly believes with the intention that that’s going to help them, I think that it can help but it’s harsh, and it’s a rough time for the person. I think that the most important thing with any illness is taking care of the body. And so whatever that means to the person. So it’s eating well, honouring the body. Exercising, physical fitness. I think you chose a treatment path whatever that is, you have faith in it, you believe in it and you go forth with it. There are many options available. There’s just so much more to it and there’s no way to deny the stories of the people who are getting better.
AA – I’d like to get your thoughts on the high diagnosis of ADD and ADHD, and the fact that children are so readily medicated…
NC: You’ve touched on something that I feel very strongly about. I’ve written quite a bit on my blog about ADD and ADHD. I believe everybody has ADHD or ADD. Everybody has an attention deficit. If we want to call it a disorder, well then that’s just where we happen to be medically and in our culture and society. But everybody has an attention deficit when they are being forced to sit through something that they’re not inspired by. So put me in front of a television watching American Idol and I promise you I will have ADD. I promise you I will be looking at my phone, I promise you I will be trying to start conversations, I will not have an attention span for that. If you tell me to watch American Idol and you’re going to pay me $1000 to do so, I will suddenly have attention. I think that we pay attention to the things that inspire us, so I just happened to mention financial because that’s something that would grab my attention. If you went to science and health and spirituality these things would all capture my attention but that doesn’t mean it will capture your attention and so with any of these kids they’re not being inspired in school, and so like I told you when there’s a new technology or a new condition or a new parameter to a condition, we see diagnoses go way up.
And so the history of ADD, in fact I would suggest that you went onto my website and do a search on ADD and you’ll get loads of posts and one in particular is about the history of ADD and it dates back to the mid 19th century. They were sort of categorizing children who were disruptive, you know they couldn’t pay attention in the classroom, and that parameter kept growing and growing and growing up to what it is today. The big thing that affected the diagnosis was when they came up with the drugs like Ritalin. Once Ritalin came around that was it. They went crazy of the diagnoses. Any kid that wasn’t conforming was going to get drugged. I can assure you that had I been a school child today, I would have been labelled with ADD and they would have drugged me guaranteed.
But they didn’t have the drugs back then in the 1970’s, they weren’t drugging the kids so they just had to deal with me. But today, now the ones making the diagnosis are often teachers, principals, school nurses – not medical doctors and the parameters have grown so large and they encompass so many things that if a kid is not conforming to any particular teacher or classroom or school, then they’ll be labelled as such (having ADD / ADHD) but really they’re just not being inspired in school. The teachers haven’t found a way to inspire the children. Very often the teachers just want an easy day like many of us do so they don’t always want to figure out how to inspire these children I do believe it’s a teacher problem.
The long term effects of Ritalin, or any of the ADHD / ADD drugs are not known and this is admitted by the FDA and other organizations. So they just call it research by trial and error and they’re doing it on kids. They’re doing it on our children and it’s a crime. I wouldn’t want to give my kids drugs and that’s the thing, would you really want to do this to your kid?
AA – And what do you think about the high number of prescriptions handed out by doctors? Is this because they are getting some sort of a kickback from the pharmaceutical companies?
NC: Doctors medicate so readily partly because there is an incentive for them from the pharmaceutical companies. Part of it is that there’s a belief among doctors that the public expect something and I think that that’s probably true. That when somebody goes to the doctors office they expect to leave with something. Medical doctors are master diagnosticians. That’s what they’re really good at. They don’t give you many tangible things to walk away with. Its not like you’re getting exercises, or your body work, or anything of that nature so the thing that they give you that’s tangible is prescription and so I think that’s another reason why so many prescriptions are handed out. They just believe that that’s what people want.
AA – And finally to wrap this up, what are your thoughts on alternative therapies, and the ability to heal from certain illnesses with the help of naturopaths etc?
NC: We can’t remove the mind from certain aspects of the healing process. When the mind aligns with the healing, the healing happens. Placebo effect is what it’s called in the medical industry but I would just call it the power of the mind. In my opinion the mind is such a massive part of existence, more than we understand. The human mind in a major player in creating the universe around us and I believe that’s true in the healing process as well. The true healing where does that come from? I tend to believe that when you’re in alignment with the healing process you’re gonna heal . I’m pretty certain about that. Essentially that’s what it is. In the end, the end result is all that matters.